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IBIS INTERCONNECT MODELING AD HOC TASK GROUP MEETING MINUTES AND AGENDA

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Next Meeting
Wednesday, January 14, 2008
8 AM US Pacific Time

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Agenda:
- Call for patents
- Opens
- Review of clean Touchstone 2.0 copy

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Minutes from January 7:

Attendees:
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(* denotes present)
Agilent                    - Radek Biernacki*, John Moore, Ken Wong
Ansoft                     - Denis Soldo
Cadence Design Systems     - Terry Jernberg, Brad Griffin
Green Streak Programs      - Lynne Green
Hewlett-Packard            - Rob Elliott
Intel                      - Michael Mirmak*
Mentor Graphics Corp.      - John Angulo*, Vladimir Dmitriev-Zdorov*
Micron Technology          - Randy Wolff
Sigrity                    - Sam Chitwood, Raymond Y. Chen, Tao Su, Brad Brim*
SiSoft                     - Walter Katz*
Teraspeed Consulting Group - Bob Ross*

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No patents were announced.

Michael noted that, unless the team objected, meetings are to continue 
weekly until Touchstone 2.0 work is completed.

The team reviewed the existing draft and made the following suggestions
for changes:

- [End] missing "file" on page 24
- [Reference] should appear *after* [Number of Ports]
- Fixed position of [Version], options line and [Number of Ports] (in relation 
to each other)
(another way to state it, per Bob's mail):

Option D:  Fixed order with 4) group any order:

1) [Version] 2.0
2) # Options Line
3) [Number of Ports]  (defines N)

4) Any Order:
    [Number of Frequencies]     (Required)
    [Two-Port Order]            (Required if N=2)
    [Number of Noise Frequencies]  (Required if [Noise Data] defined)
    [Reference] (N arguments)   (Optional)
    [Matrix Format]             (Optional)
    [Mixed-Mode Order]          (Optional, requires N arguments)
    [Begin Information]/[End Information]  (Optional Pair for expansion)

5) [Network Data]               (Required after all above keywords)
6) [Noise Data]                 (Required only if {Number of Noise Frequencies] 
given)
7) [End]                                (Required as last keyword)

The current draft includes an order resulting from a misunderstanding of 
the last minutes.  Bob would prefer required keywords to be higher in the 
"any order" section, but this is not absolutely necessary.

John noted that unnecessary forcing of rules will annoy users with useless 
parser messages.

Michael suggested put this exact text in the doc; Bob agreed, for parser 
development.
Bob noted that he did not like the text listing on page 5, suggesting that the 
paragraph be revised with list/bullets and ordering information.

Bob suggested that the new position of [Number of Ports] should be as *the 
first* 
keyword after the options line, to make its position solid.  A specific case is 
Shown on page 9 of the markup draft.

Bob objected to having, for rule 7 on page 4, the dash or underbar character at 
all.
The text does not address dash, underscore, etc. as *substitute* for space 
(this should not be allowed).    No underbars are actually used in the
text, and the keyword text should be as exactly placed in the document.  Radek 
notes 
that printed copies may not give enough guidance from the appearance alone.  
Only one 
space is used, only one dash is used, ever.  

Bob noted an inconsistency in the vector matrix font for S-parameters, 
equations, etc. in the appendix.

Walter suggested that 1-2 iterations were needed for a final document.  Jan. 30 
was
agreed as a tentative target.  Radek requested a week to pass the document 
around 
for comment.

ARs
Team: Vladimir stated that the document should include two complete separate 
examples, with as many functions as possible.
Michael to obtain GEIA and/or IEEE rules for may, shall, will, must in standards
Michael to list out Rob's suggested changes as a bullet list, so that global 
principles can be settled before deciding.